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		<title>By: Pushpins: What do(n&#8217;t) they mean? &#171; Tim Wallace</title>
		<link>http://cartastrophe.wordpress.com/2010/03/22/a-war-without-humans/#comment-207</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Pushpins: What do(n&#8217;t) they mean? &#171; Tim Wallace]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Sep 2010 18:31:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] tacks&#8221;, &#8220;map pins&#8221; and &#8220;pushpins,&#8221; have all been dismissed as emotionally inappropriate. Pushpin cartography has taken on a connotation of rank amateurism.  The pushpin on a paper map [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] tacks&#8221;, &#8220;map pins&#8221; and &#8220;pushpins,&#8221; have all been dismissed as emotionally inappropriate. Pushpin cartography has taken on a connotation of rank amateurism.  The pushpin on a paper map [...]</p>
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		<title>By: The Vanishing Kingdom &#171; Cartastrophe</title>
		<link>http://cartastrophe.wordpress.com/2010/03/22/a-war-without-humans/#comment-184</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The Vanishing Kingdom &#171; Cartastrophe]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jun 2010 22:01:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] and design decisions rather than computers, major geographical errors may become infrequent, but more insidious problems crop up, as we discussed a few months [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] and design decisions rather than computers, major geographical errors may become infrequent, but more insidious problems crop up, as we discussed a few months [...]</p>
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		<title>By: More Offensive Pushpins &#171; Geography 970</title>
		<link>http://cartastrophe.wordpress.com/2010/03/22/a-war-without-humans/#comment-178</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[More Offensive Pushpins &#171; Geography 970]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Apr 2010 17:06:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] More Offensive&#160;Pushpins Filed under: Uncategorized &#8212; Tim Wallace @ 12:06 pm   It&#8217;s not my intention to become the &#8220;critical pushpinnery&#8221; guy.  But after my post on the US Drone Attacks mapped using Google MyMaps (which appears to no longer have any pushpins at all now) in Janurary, I keep seeing maps that would benefit from, not just a &#8220;better choice&#8221; of point symbol, but some choice (rather than simply using the default).  This led me to the Google Maps Icon collection.  The idea behind this is great &#8211; we shouldn&#8217;t use the same point symbols for every type of point.  Not only is this graphically inappropriate (not being able to tell different points apart &#8211; like highways and POIs in this Betty Lou Cruises Map), it can also be emotionally inappropriate (as Daniel Huffman suggests on his blog post &#8216;a war without humans&#8216;). [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] More Offensive&nbsp;Pushpins Filed under: Uncategorized &#8212; Tim Wallace @ 12:06 pm   It&#8217;s not my intention to become the &#8220;critical pushpinnery&#8221; guy.  But after my post on the US Drone Attacks mapped using Google MyMaps (which appears to no longer have any pushpins at all now) in Janurary, I keep seeing maps that would benefit from, not just a &#8220;better choice&#8221; of point symbol, but some choice (rather than simply using the default).  This led me to the Google Maps Icon collection.  The idea behind this is great &#8211; we shouldn&#8217;t use the same point symbols for every type of point.  Not only is this graphically inappropriate (not being able to tell different points apart &#8211; like highways and POIs in this Betty Lou Cruises Map), it can also be emotionally inappropriate (as Daniel Huffman suggests on his blog post &#8216;a war without humans&#8216;). [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Tanya Buckingham</title>
		<link>http://cartastrophe.wordpress.com/2010/03/22/a-war-without-humans/#comment-174</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tanya Buckingham]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Apr 2010 22:35:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Tim Wallace</title>
		<link>http://cartastrophe.wordpress.com/2010/03/22/a-war-without-humans/#comment-172</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tim Wallace]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Mar 2010 16:22:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Youch.  Now that&#039;s something you could map with pushpins: locations of pushpin neck jabs.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Youch.  Now that&#8217;s something you could map with pushpins: locations of pushpin neck jabs.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy Woodruff</title>
		<link>http://cartastrophe.wordpress.com/2010/03/22/a-war-without-humans/#comment-171</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Andy Woodruff]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Mar 2010 02:55:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well, Tim, we&#039;ll see how you feel about pushpins after I jab you in the neck with one! You&#039;ll come around to my side, I know it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, Tim, we&#8217;ll see how you feel about pushpins after I jab you in the neck with one! You&#8217;ll come around to my side, I know it.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Wallace</title>
		<link>http://cartastrophe.wordpress.com/2010/03/22/a-war-without-humans/#comment-170</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tim Wallace]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Mar 2010 18:33:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Let&#039;s face it - Google&#039;s palette (of both colors and icons) is &quot;playful&quot;.  And, here&#039;s something else we should probably face - not all topics are playful.  I agree with Andy that &quot;sometimes a map really is meant just to show where things are&quot;.  But . . . should I draw a map of the Trail of Tears using Unicorns and Rainbows to &quot;show where things are&quot;?  I know a pushpin is not a unicorn, but I&#039;m with Daniel here.  When a topic is this heavy and tied to real human emotion, it certainly wouldn&#039;t hurt to take greater care when choosing how to represent it.  

Nowadays, this may too much to ask.  And I don&#039;t think any of us can criticize the maker of this map.  How the heck else was he supposed to make this map in Google&#039;s MyMaps?  Perhaps he could have used different POI symbols from the the Google Maps Icons Library (&lt;a href=&quot;http://code.google.com/p/google-maps-icons/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://code.google.com/p/google-maps-icons/&lt;/a&gt;)?  Hmm . . . I&#039;m not sure that would be any better.  Some of the icons being offered up there are even more offensive than a cartoon pushpin (notably, this one: &lt;a href=&quot;http://google-maps-icons.googlecode.com/files/rape.png&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://google-maps-icons.googlecode.com/files/rape.png&lt;/a&gt;).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s face it &#8211; Google&#8217;s palette (of both colors and icons) is &#8220;playful&#8221;.  And, here&#8217;s something else we should probably face &#8211; not all topics are playful.  I agree with Andy that &#8220;sometimes a map really is meant just to show where things are&#8221;.  But . . . should I draw a map of the Trail of Tears using Unicorns and Rainbows to &#8220;show where things are&#8221;?  I know a pushpin is not a unicorn, but I&#8217;m with Daniel here.  When a topic is this heavy and tied to real human emotion, it certainly wouldn&#8217;t hurt to take greater care when choosing how to represent it.  </p>
<p>Nowadays, this may too much to ask.  And I don&#8217;t think any of us can criticize the maker of this map.  How the heck else was he supposed to make this map in Google&#8217;s MyMaps?  Perhaps he could have used different POI symbols from the the Google Maps Icons Library (<a href="http://code.google.com/p/google-maps-icons/" rel="nofollow">http://code.google.com/p/google-maps-icons/</a>)?  Hmm . . . I&#8217;m not sure that would be any better.  Some of the icons being offered up there are even more offensive than a cartoon pushpin (notably, this one: <a href="http://google-maps-icons.googlecode.com/files/rape.png" rel="nofollow">http://google-maps-icons.googlecode.com/files/rape.png</a>).</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel Huffman</title>
		<link>http://cartastrophe.wordpress.com/2010/03/22/a-war-without-humans/#comment-168</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Daniel Huffman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Mar 2010 23:26:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yeah, I think I was probably pretty harsh there (I checked around with people before posting and they were all like, &quot;no, you&#039;re not being harsh,&quot; but I think they were feeling harsh, too. Not that this is anything but my own responsibility). 

I think that my approach to cartography, especially over the last three months, has become very oriented toward emotion. I would agree with you that maps can&#039;t be neutral, and I think that people who want to get as close as possible have a fair point, but right now my interests are occupied by works that take the lack of neutrality and run with it. I&#039;m leaning in a Bunge-esque direction (though, hopefully without the Stalinism). Though, I suppose that&#039;s not possible to really be emotional with every data set, since some are kind of boring. I&#039;m in a sort of...humanist phase, perhaps you might call it? Most of what I&#039;ve been focusing on lately is how maps affect people, how they produce a connection between the reader and the topic, and how they make people feel. This is tied probably to my feelings about digital cartography, and my fear of its dehumanizing influences. But that is all another subject, which I would be interested to take up with you. 

I don&#039;t necessarily want a death map...I think if this were mapped with simple points and were more neutral feeling, I would have perhaps been fine about that. The clash between the sort of whimsical presentation and the subject matter is just very jarring to me. Though that can be used to good effect in a sort of ironic fashion, if you have the right audience to pull it off. 

Anyway, you make a fair point, and I would probably have backed off the strength of this some if I had been less...in the moment. But I would keep the sentiment. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, I think I was probably pretty harsh there (I checked around with people before posting and they were all like, &#8220;no, you&#8217;re not being harsh,&#8221; but I think they were feeling harsh, too. Not that this is anything but my own responsibility). </p>
<p>I think that my approach to cartography, especially over the last three months, has become very oriented toward emotion. I would agree with you that maps can&#8217;t be neutral, and I think that people who want to get as close as possible have a fair point, but right now my interests are occupied by works that take the lack of neutrality and run with it. I&#8217;m leaning in a Bunge-esque direction (though, hopefully without the Stalinism). Though, I suppose that&#8217;s not possible to really be emotional with every data set, since some are kind of boring. I&#8217;m in a sort of&#8230;humanist phase, perhaps you might call it? Most of what I&#8217;ve been focusing on lately is how maps affect people, how they produce a connection between the reader and the topic, and how they make people feel. This is tied probably to my feelings about digital cartography, and my fear of its dehumanizing influences. But that is all another subject, which I would be interested to take up with you. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t necessarily want a death map&#8230;I think if this were mapped with simple points and were more neutral feeling, I would have perhaps been fine about that. The clash between the sort of whimsical presentation and the subject matter is just very jarring to me. Though that can be used to good effect in a sort of ironic fashion, if you have the right audience to pull it off. </p>
<p>Anyway, you make a fair point, and I would probably have backed off the strength of this some if I had been less&#8230;in the moment. But I would keep the sentiment. </p>
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		<title>By: Andy Woodruff</title>
		<link>http://cartastrophe.wordpress.com/2010/03/22/a-war-without-humans/#comment-167</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Andy Woodruff]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Mar 2010 21:35:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Daniel,

Apart from pushpins being stupid symbols on pretty much any map, whether or not they are inappropriate here on some emotional level is certainly debatable, you&#039;ll probably agree. I&#039;m with David above in not taking issue with them in that regard; and what&#039;s appropriate for this map depends on its purpose and intended audience. You want a death map, but you&#039;re just one guy.

But what&#039;s more interesting is that you seem to advocate as a general rule deliberately and consciously seeking to evoke some particular reaction from the map reader. I know that some time ago we all quit believing that any map can be neutral and objective. And granted, you did comment that simple circles would be sufficient here. But it seems you prefer that we embrace the emotional power of maps and run with it. Am I reading too much into your post?

I&#039;m down with recognizing that power and avoiding unintended messages, but (to extrapolate your arguments a bit too far) the notion of the all-powerful cartographer swaying minds with his every map sort of rubs me the wrong way and just like certain mapping &quot;rules&quot; sounds like the kind of talk that cartographers make as they struggle to justify their own worth and existence these days. Sometimes a map really is meant just to show where things are, and it should be judged on how effectively it does that. Maybe a map can&#039;t be neutral, but it can be worth getting as close as possible.

Anyway, the short version is that I don&#039;t think we can usually castigate someone for &lt;em&gt;failing&lt;/em&gt; to send a certain message with a map.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Daniel,</p>
<p>Apart from pushpins being stupid symbols on pretty much any map, whether or not they are inappropriate here on some emotional level is certainly debatable, you&#8217;ll probably agree. I&#8217;m with David above in not taking issue with them in that regard; and what&#8217;s appropriate for this map depends on its purpose and intended audience. You want a death map, but you&#8217;re just one guy.</p>
<p>But what&#8217;s more interesting is that you seem to advocate as a general rule deliberately and consciously seeking to evoke some particular reaction from the map reader. I know that some time ago we all quit believing that any map can be neutral and objective. And granted, you did comment that simple circles would be sufficient here. But it seems you prefer that we embrace the emotional power of maps and run with it. Am I reading too much into your post?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m down with recognizing that power and avoiding unintended messages, but (to extrapolate your arguments a bit too far) the notion of the all-powerful cartographer swaying minds with his every map sort of rubs me the wrong way and just like certain mapping &#8220;rules&#8221; sounds like the kind of talk that cartographers make as they struggle to justify their own worth and existence these days. Sometimes a map really is meant just to show where things are, and it should be judged on how effectively it does that. Maybe a map can&#8217;t be neutral, but it can be worth getting as close as possible.</p>
<p>Anyway, the short version is that I don&#8217;t think we can usually castigate someone for <em>failing</em> to send a certain message with a map.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel Huffman</title>
		<link>http://cartastrophe.wordpress.com/2010/03/22/a-war-without-humans/#comment-166</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Daniel Huffman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Mar 2010 19:20:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think that something as simple as a circle is preferable. It&#039;s not very death-like, but at least it lacks the whimsical connotation that a bright pushpin has. Human skulls or other morbid icons can be even more effective, but run a risk of going the other way -- if you make it too cartoonish you risk making it look like a mockery. A lot of death imagery is that way, actually. We&#039;re used to making fun of death and laughing at it, so it&#039;s a challenge, to my mind, to get people to look at it seriously. A bit more realism to those symbols would be necessary, at the least. 

This is something I am actually playing around with re-making, myself, though I&#039;ve not had the time to really start at it. My own preference is to go with something austere and dark, which I think moves away from whimsical connotations and puts readers in a mood more receptive to unpleasant data. Dark outline human figures might be effective, but I have yet to put them there and see if it plays as well on the page as in my mind. 

I should probably have put these ideas in the post as a more constructive suggestion next to the critique. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that something as simple as a circle is preferable. It&#8217;s not very death-like, but at least it lacks the whimsical connotation that a bright pushpin has. Human skulls or other morbid icons can be even more effective, but run a risk of going the other way &#8212; if you make it too cartoonish you risk making it look like a mockery. A lot of death imagery is that way, actually. We&#8217;re used to making fun of death and laughing at it, so it&#8217;s a challenge, to my mind, to get people to look at it seriously. A bit more realism to those symbols would be necessary, at the least. </p>
<p>This is something I am actually playing around with re-making, myself, though I&#8217;ve not had the time to really start at it. My own preference is to go with something austere and dark, which I think moves away from whimsical connotations and puts readers in a mood more receptive to unpleasant data. Dark outline human figures might be effective, but I have yet to put them there and see if it plays as well on the page as in my mind. </p>
<p>I should probably have put these ideas in the post as a more constructive suggestion next to the critique. </p>
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